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McMahon wrote:
interestingly, Scarth is mentioned and given as "18th Ave. and 1st St. S.W., near station."
zakman wrote:Rather than put you to the trouble of typing all this up, would it be possible to scan the 4 pages you mentioned and submit them that way?
I'm not sure how many HI forum participants are interested in such arcane topics as early street names and historic sidewalk stamps, but I guess we'll find out in due course.
Chris E wrote:^^ That's awesome, thanks for that.
I'll see if I can't superimpose those onto a current map of Calgary.
Chris E wrote:My initial findings re: the first portion of the list:
EXISTS:
Crestview Road - 12th St. W, South of Riverdale Ave. (EXISTS, but NORTH or Riverdale) [presumably a mistake in the booklet]
NOT FOUND:
Only two of these showed up:
Archer Road - 14st St. NE, North of Centre Ave. [Archer Road exists in 1956 map. It would seem from comparing with Google Earth that the current St. George's Drive was then 14A St. Directly east of that was 14th St and then Hill Road. Archer Road was the most southern portion of 14th St (between Lambert and Centre) though I don't think Lambert extended across as far as the creek (as Centre did back then). If you look at Google Earth, 14th St doesn't exist now, but there is a pathway there that presumably would have been the road we're looking for.
Interestingly, the area now known as Tom Campbell's Hill south of Centre Ave once had streets running through it, which I never knew. It's coloured green on the map (indicating a park) but both Townsend St and Child Ave continue down to Memorial. There are other streets there but the only ones that are identified are St. David, Taprell, St. George's Avenue, 14A Street and then, outside the green area are 2nd Ave, 3A Ave, 4th Ave, 4A Ave and Creek Road (which was also on the "missing list".]
Cameron Street - 34th Ave. and 10A St. West [Didn't find this one; 10A St. doesn't appear to exist either]
Creek Road - 15th St NE., Blackfoot Trail [see Archer Road]
MINOR CHANGE:
Alexander Avenue - 6th St. E to Alberta Avenue (EXISTS, WITH BREAK, RENAMED "STREET")
Bagot Avenue - 20th Ave, between 13th and 14th Sts. West (EXISTS, RENAMED "BAGGOT")
Burnsland Avenue - East of Macleod Trail, South 36th Avenue (EXISTS, RENAMED "ROAD")
Cabot Avenue - Wolfe St. and Premier Way (EXISTS, RENAMED "STREET")
Cliff Avenue - 4A St. W, South of Riverdale Ave. (EXISTS, RENAMED "CLIFFE")
[In the 1956 map, all of these show up as the "renamed" street name which would seem to indicate that these were errors in the booklet. The one exception is Bagot/Baggot. Baggot appears on GE, but Bagot appears in the 1956 and a 2007 map.]
MAJOR CHANGE:
Blackburn Road - 29th Ave. and 6th St. East, Burnsland (MOVED, but now around 2nd st E between 34 and 38A Aves. Looks like the road indicated here is now a portion of Blackfoot Trail) [Doesn't seem likely that the address given in the booklet would even be correct for this one, but you would have to assume it would be. EDIT: On the second list, Manchester Road is given as being not too far from here in 1944. And today, they are a block away from each other. So, were they both indeed moved for some reason, or is the booklet just way off on their addresses?]
Blackfoot Trail - 15th St, NE and Memorial Drive, Nose Creek (MOVED, Could have been what is now St Georges DR NE) [In 1956, Blackfoot Trail was on its current course]
Constance Avenue - 8th St. E, 23rd Ave., South, Ramsay School (RENAMED to 24th Ave SE)
(Google search came up with this "Follow Spiller Road until you reach 24th Ave/Constance Ave, where the school is located on the west side."[Still exists actually. It's on GE. Constance and 24th are almost adjacent to each other on Spiller Road. Constance on the west side, 24th on the east]
McMahon wrote:I actually have a Calgary street map from 1956 here, so I decided to cross reference some of the roads that weren't found on there. The map handily also has a street index, though I didn't find it till halfway through the list. I've only gone through your first post so far.Chris E wrote:My initial findings re: the first portion of the list:
EXISTS:
Crestview Road - 12th St. W, South of Riverdale Ave. (EXISTS, but NORTH or Riverdale) [presumably a mistake in the booklet]
NOT FOUND:
Only two of these showed up:
Archer Road - 14st St. NE, North of Centre Ave. [Archer Road exists in 1956 map. It would seem from comparing with Google Earth that the current St. George's Drive was then 14A St. Directly east of that was 14th St and then Hill Road. Archer Road was the most southern portion of 14th St (between Lambert and Centre) though I don't think Lambert extended across as far as the creek (as Centre did back then). If you look at Google Earth, 14th St doesn't exist now, but there is a pathway there that presumably would have been the road we're looking for.
Interestingly, the area now known as Tom Campbell's Hill south of Centre Ave once had streets running through it, which I never knew. It's coloured green on the map (indicating a park) but both Townsend St and Child Ave continue down to Memorial. There are other streets there but the only ones that are identified are St. David, Taprell, St. George's Avenue, 14A Street and then, outside the green area are 2nd Ave, 3A Ave, 4th Ave, 4A Ave and Creek Road (which was also on the "missing list".]
Cameron Street - 34th Ave. and 10A St. West [Didn't find this one; 10A St. doesn't appear to exist either]
Creek Road - 15th St NE., Blackfoot Trail [see Archer Road]
MINOR CHANGE:
Alexander Avenue - 6th St. E to Alberta Avenue (EXISTS, WITH BREAK, RENAMED "STREET")
Bagot Avenue - 20th Ave, between 13th and 14th Sts. West (EXISTS, RENAMED "BAGGOT")
Burnsland Avenue - East of Macleod Trail, South 36th Avenue (EXISTS, RENAMED "ROAD")
Cabot Avenue - Wolfe St. and Premier Way (EXISTS, RENAMED "STREET")
Cliff Avenue - 4A St. W, South of Riverdale Ave. (EXISTS, RENAMED "CLIFFE")
[In the 1956 map, all of these show up as the "renamed" street name which would seem to indicate that these were errors in the booklet. The one exception is Bagot/Baggot. Baggot appears on GE, but Bagot appears in the 1956 and a 2007 map.]
MAJOR CHANGE:
Blackburn Road - 29th Ave. and 6th St. East, Burnsland (MOVED, but now around 2nd st E between 34 and 38A Aves. Looks like the road indicated here is now a portion of Blackfoot Trail) [Doesn't seem likely that the address given in the booklet would even be correct for this one, but you would have to assume it would be. EDIT: On the second list, Manchester Road is given as being not too far from here in 1944. And today, they are a block away from each other. So, were they both indeed moved for some reason, or is the booklet just way off on their addresses?]
Blackfoot Trail - 15th St, NE and Memorial Drive, Nose Creek (MOVED, Could have been what is now St Georges DR NE) [In 1956, Blackfoot Trail was on its current course]
Constance Avenue - 8th St. E, 23rd Ave., South, Ramsay School (RENAMED to 24th Ave SE)
(Google search came up with this "Follow Spiller Road until you reach 24th Ave/Constance Ave, where the school is located on the west side."[Still exists actually. It's on GE. Constance and 24th are almost adjacent to each other on Spiller Road. Constance on the west side, 24th on the east]
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